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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Aug 10, 2016 9:13:28 GMT
Dmitry was beginning to feel annoyed with the European's own manner of "diplomacy." All things considered, he did want to tell the Russian people that their facts were unfounded, and that it could all be a misunderstanding, but unlike the West, the Russian government, even with the President, was not nearly as free-spirited as he could hope. He didn't want to have to take desperate measures to make nice with the West, but it seemed that the more he acted politically "incorrect," the more enemies he made. He merely shrugged and turned back to President Kennedy.
"Nonetheless, I pick the hand on the right."
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Post by John Fitzgerald Kennedy II on Aug 10, 2016 21:50:08 GMT
"It seems this is your lucky day Mr.president." He said extending his hand forward, and showing him the hidden item within it.
"It appears that you and I are now allies, and to commemorate the founding of this alliance I have decided to acknowledge your earlier request, but I do hope you understand Mr.president that the satellites are not going to be moved, no matter what." He turns to Archibald. "Isn't that right, Archie?" Turns back to Dmitry.
"For every evidence you bring forward, he'll have a reason, or an excuse if you will. Although I can't say that I don't understand his choice not to move the satellites, they are an important part of Europeans infrastructure, but if it is endangering the infrastructure and stability of another country and possibly human lives, then I do believe change is in order.
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Aug 10, 2016 21:57:42 GMT
Archibald nodded solemnly.
"Indeed, President Kennedy." He stated bluntly. "The AEDP's loyalties and duties are firmly in favour of Europes interests and as such, nothing will be done about those satellites without undeniable proof."
Crossing his arms, the British Field Marshal looked at the two politicians.
"I do believe, that in the interests of the public and adherence to international law, we should discuss ground rules for this conflict and do a joint public announcement together once all other matters on the agenda here have been discussed."
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Aug 10, 2016 22:19:31 GMT
"Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not at war yet! I haven't done a thing that could warrant war yet!" Dmitry pleaded. He was desperate not to have war over some satellite orbiting above Russia and some angry oligarchs.
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Aug 10, 2016 22:34:36 GMT
"No one said you had, President Molchanov." Archibald rebutted gravely. "But is it not clear to you that this will escalate, with or without your desire for it to do so? The politicians of your nation caused this, not you. It's now your job to conduct this affair with a clear head."
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Post by Mendoza Chávez De La Hoya Card on Aug 10, 2016 22:43:23 GMT
Mendoza Chávez De La Hoya Cardinal took his place and watched from the left to the right. Following this discussion was interesting and he silently was cheering for the Russian side. Hoping also to find answers for the SAP problems of the climate disaster in the North SAP/Cuba area. Yet Mendoza was annoyed by the behaviour of several Russian men, including their leaders. Sitting lazy in a discussion which was called in by the same men? It wasn’t what Mendoza was expecting, neither did he expected the well prepared European explanations about the Siberia incident. He sighed. Speaking very silently with several of his own men, Mendoza heard what the American President spoke about. With a slightly unfriendly face expression he overheard the ‘hand-proposal’ by Kennedy. Sure, playing once more cowboy… he thought. But the outcome wasn’t something he was hoping. The NAU allies with Russia? On what ground? And the Russians accepting it? Mendoza and his men became a little nervous with this. He slowly rises up from his seat, and coughed a couple of times to gain attention: “So we are here to trying to find some answers about climate changes, most likely caused by the hands of the Solaris devises…” Mendoza started, slowly looking through the room. On the Russians he had a slightly friendly yet disappointed face expression. On the USA men, he looked more well calculated. The rest, neutral-ish…
“Whether it is caused by the Solaris should be the discussion. Yet I am convinced that this discussion is used to justify some hunger for war, without a decent reason why. I expected more of the ‘accusing’-party. Yet neither are we convinced that the Solaris is not guilty. But I admit, we, the SAP, lack evidence or scientific proof that the Solaris is the reason of our own environmental disasters….” Mendoza coughed once more. “But that the NAU suddenly becomes a partner of our ally, the Russian Federation, on a gamble, rises concerning feelings within me, and my fellow delegates of the SAP. Is this all a small excuse from the NAU to backstab? To overthrow the SAP interests once more, by trying to make a good move by our main ally?” Mendoza sighed noticeable. “If this is a serious matter, the SAP might rethink their point of standings against the Northern neighbour. We might not find the answer for our own environmental issues, but this is a serious concern for the SAP. I recommend that both President Molchanov and President Kennedy rethink this sudden alliance, based on just a gamble…”
Several other SAP members clapped their hands. They also am concerned about Russia’s sudden love with America, or vice versa, depends on how you see it. Mendoza Chávez De La Hoya Cardinal retook his seat and patiently waits for both replies on this. He doesn’t want to lose his alliance with Russia, but neither wants the USA involving with their (SAP-RF) relationship. |
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Post by Andrey Voronov on Aug 11, 2016 5:43:30 GMT
Voronov stood up out of his chair after fiercely but quietly demanding that his colleagues stop their ruckus. This was a world leader meeting, not a gopnik get-together. "I apologize for my inaction in here, I have had some problems to be thinking over. But I have to say.. Basing the whole geo-political stance of your nation based on a simple gambit? There are no other words to describe this besides foolish and perhaps even incompetent. It is perhaps reminiscent of Melgarejo giving his land away when his favorite horse stepped on part of a map of Bolivia," said Voronov while glancing towards the SAP delegates. "Think over your decision carefully, Mr. Kennedy." A small stack of papers was straightened out on the table, and if you were just close enough, the top page's title could be spotted reading "National Literacy Plan Report - 99%+ Achieved". It was something that Andrey was particularly proud of throughout his presidency and his more recent prime ministry under Molchanov.
While looking towards the Europeans, Voronov was ready to give a stern warning. "Russians may be more outspoken compared to westerners but our anger doesn't remain solved by simplistic rebuttals and semantics. Eventually, they will make it well known what they want. " He then sat down. This time the Russians behind him sat quiet.
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Aug 11, 2016 5:53:31 GMT
Archibald raised an eyebrow as he turned on Voronov.
"Well, you did make it easy for me by being completely ineffectual in your gathering of evidence to prove your point." He told him acidly. "So much so that it makes a mockery of the word empirical. If you truly wanted results here, you would have brought evidence far more concrete than what your President had to humiliate himself with presenting."
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Post by Andrey Voronov on Aug 11, 2016 6:36:34 GMT
Archibald raised an eyebrow as he turned on Voronov. "Well, you did make it easy for me by being completely ineffectual in your gathering of evidence to prove your point." He told him acidly. "So much so that it makes a mockery of the word empirical. If you truly wanted results here, you would have brought evidence far more concrete than what your President had to humiliate himself with presenting." "Well, let's start with the timing. The Solarises network is getting larger and larger. When did this entire business start? After the Solaris system was introduced. It's that simple. The prime arable land used for farming is being hit in addition to Siberia and the Urals. It is reminiscent of the disastrous 1932-1933 famine of the Soviet Union, but in summer instead of winter." A map was shown and Voronov pointed to the Kuban region, areas of Northern Kazakhstan and the Steppe, and Siberian regions. "There's our motive then. European rebuttals are laughable: Russian over reliance on dirty fossil fuels. This is a consistent response. If one actually took the time, however, it could easily be seen that LNG, liquid natural gas and nuclear power is used for powering the vast majority of Russia. LNG, while still a fossil fuel, is definitely one of the cleaner types compared to coal and oil burning. I also will point out that the industrial revolution happened in the confines of Western Europe many decades ago, yet we have not seen such a drastic environmental change in such a short time to date. Yes, there is flooding. But can you expect different from a vastly industrialized nation on an island where factories ruled to fuel an empire? Let's also consider Russian landmass. Not all industry is concentrated in a small area for major pollution to seep into the atmosphere. Factories varied from Western Russia, the Ukraine, the Urals, the Don Basin, around Irkutsk, and spread around Siberia. Are you telling me, that only now this is affecting Russia? If there is a clear and present danger regarding our country, her populace, and infrastructure such as our agriculture being burned up," Voronov edged forward and stared Archibald in the eyes with his cold, blue eyes, "it will be accordingly dealt with." Several pictures of forests and crops being burned were placed on the table, along with a compilation of Soviet industrialization reports and the percentages of power provided by nuclear and LNG power plants compared to the rest. |
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Aug 11, 2016 19:53:27 GMT
Archibald picked up the pictures and looked at each one quietly and contemplatively.
"So, you say that this disaster is because of Solaris, which we're still chatting about." He began thoughtfully. "And that the creation of it resulted in this disaster? Well, I'm left a little confused, since you say that it was after the introduction of the network. Well, that would make a great deal of sense. A very clear connection between the two, practically irrefutable!"
Archibald turned around and smiled at the dignitaries within the room and nodded.
"If only that were true!" He exclaimed before throwing the photos back down onto the desk in front of Voronov. "Prime Minister Voronov, I have been privy to a vast amount of material that was archived by the predecessor to the organisation that I am the leader of. This material included a vast amount of on Solaris and I was privy to the fact that its introduction was in 2039. It is now 2045 and the Russian people are complaining now? Six years after the event you reference?"
Archie snorted derisively at the Russian politician before continuing.
"If what you say is true, why haven't we seen the entirety of your country up in flames? Should this effect not have been felt over the past 6 years? Should we not have Siberia become the first desert of the north with your entire country destroyed, up in flames, desolate and barren with a clear pattern showing an increase of temperature over those 6 years from the introduction of Solaris to right here, right now?" Archibald replied icily. "Mr. Prime Minister, I stand by my statement that you have absolutely no clue what you're doing. After all, The SAP has issues too and they have suspicions it might be Solaris, but they don't have anything to back that up either or voiced them like you have. The entire world has relays dotted around, but it's only you who's actually taken any actions. So I must ask of you, Prime Minister, do you truly think the problem is Solaris or do you think it's because you are angry at how Europe no longer needs to prop up your economy by paying for the vast quantities of fossil fuels you're so eager to provide?"
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Aug 11, 2016 22:19:09 GMT
"Enough is enough!" Dmitry barked, looking to both Archibald and Andrey with a heavily annoyed expression on his face. "Mr. Stanford, no matter what evidence we put forward to you, you will never think it enough; I can tell you right now that if we gathered all of the evidence we could, you would find it inconclusive and continue to serve only your organization's interests, rather than helping another country out! Voronov, it's best to let the issue go for now and deal with it when we return to Moscow! Am I understood?" Dmitry then turned to JFK, his positive glow returning to him, "President Kennedy, what Mendoza says is true. Making an alliance based on a gambit is more than irresponsible as a leader. It is foolhardy at best, and extremely dangerous at worst. I would suggest that if we were to start a military alliance, that it should be discussed between only you and me, and how we could repair our relations, given the current circumstances."  Dmitry's smile then vanished and an air of seriousness arose from him as he stood up, turning to both the Chinese premier and the American president, staring at them with a coldness in his green eyes. "Now, onto the next issue at hand: Kurmuk, and the worsening relations between the Russian people and your countries. We want answers to the attack on Kurmuk. All of it. You attacked an existing Russian outpost that was stationed there long before the Chinese ever came into the region for no reason, according to military officials, including the account of one apprehended Colonel Nikita Aleksandr that was running the facility. I believe that every action has a reason to it, and I want to know yours for this whole debacle!" |
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Post by Andrey Voronov on Aug 11, 2016 22:49:33 GMT
Archibald picked up the pictures and looked at each one quietly and contemplatively. "So, you say that this disaster is because of Solaris, which we're still chatting about." He began thoughtfully. "And that the creation of it resulted in this disaster? Well, I'm left a little confused, since you say that it was after the introduction of the network. Well, that would make a great deal of sense. A very clear connection between the two, practically irrefutable!" Archibald turned around and smiled at the dignitaries within the room and nodded. "If only that were true!" He exclaimed before throwing the photos back down onto the desk in front of Voronov. "Prime Minister Voronov, I have been privy to a vast amount of material that was archived by the predecessor to the organisation that I am the leader of. This material included a vast amount of on Solaris and I was privy to the fact that its introduction was in 2039. It is now 2045 and the Russian people are complaining now? Six years after the event you reference?" Archie snorted derisively at the Russian politician before continuing. "If what you say is true, why haven't we seen the entirety of your country up in flames? Should this effect not have been felt over the past 6 years? Should we not have Siberia become the first desert of the north with your entire country destroyed, up in flames, desolate and barren with a clear pattern showing an increase of temperature over those 6 years from the introduction of Solaris to right here, right now?" Archibald replied icily. "Mr. Prime Minister, I stand by my statement that you have absolutely no clue what you're doing. After all, The SAP has issues too and they have suspicions it might be Solaris, but they don't have anything to back that up either or voiced them like you have. The entire world has relays dotted around, but it's only you who's actually taken any actions. So I must ask of you, Prime Minister, do you truly think the problem is Solaris or do you think it's because you are angry at how Europe no longer needs to prop up your economy by paying for the vast quantities of fossil fuels you're so eager to provide?" Voronov began to chuckle loudly after Archibald finished, and he turned towards Molchanov, briefly saying "Izviniti, Tovarisch President". He then began his response. "I suppose you are forgetting that the Solaris wasn't suddenly entirely completed in 2039 and nothing has changed, that everything was introduced at once. You see, even you, protector of Europe should know this. It takes time for such a system to be fully operational. Comas Sola, the first satellite was operational in 2039. Later that year, Cassini and Kepler were also launched, however, this is by a large margin not everything." Before continuing, Voronov took a sip of water to hydrate himself and his vocal cords. "And it takes time for new ideas and tests to happen. Don't try to take me for a fool by disregarding this." "That also ignores the fact that change takes time. It took us a hundred years for humanity to realize the real threats of global warming and begin changing our ways for it. But of course when you place a cooker over a nation it would take significantly less time, would it not? Akin to setting an oven to preheat." When he registered the very last part of Archibald's speech into his brain, he scowled harshly. "Your suggestion is utterly despicable... There are lives being lost, so far tens of thousands, people going hungry because their food is turned to smoldering ash and homes are meeting the same fate. With all respect, I damn sure believe the Solaris plays a hand in this. When lives are at stake, I don't care about money. I care about people. And I am not alone. Snide remarks and snark, childish rebuttals won't change the facts that ever since the Solaris has become fully operational, regions of Russia, and not just Russia, extending into northern Kazakhstan as well, have been suffering a catastrophic, sudden environmental change. But as Dmitry said, I should leave this alone for now. You cannot tell someone that you are not a camel if they will not listen. This childish bickering is not going to achieve anything." |
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Aug 11, 2016 22:53:06 GMT
Archibald turned towards Dmitry, his once calm and on occasion jovial expression had been replaced by a smouldering fury as he approached Dmitry and squared up to him, Archie's hands were clasped behind his back as he stood at ease to show he was not going to strike the Russian President or boil over. "I'll have you know that I am a reasonable man, Mr. President." He whispered to Dmitry, the rest of the room unable to hear. "I have provided perfectly reasonable counter-explanations without having to do any actual research dedicated to the situation we have been discussing. Insinuating that it is me being unreasonable is a deep insult to my character. I have been very patient with you, your lack of courtesy to me and your inability to grasp that you are right now at a very important crossroad for your nation and the world by extension. I hold no malice towards you, but I do say that you must be very careful, sir, with what you do next. You may be a spoilt brat, but I can see in your eyes that you are a man who does possess intelligence, don't waste it. Also, your Prime Minister there... He's right about the satellites and when they were launched, but then you must ask yourself... Why is it only Russia who's having an issue when other areas of the world should have been fried as he describes before the satellite over Russia arrived?" The Field Marshal then grasped Dmitry's hand and opened it to allow him to place a business card that possessed "Sir Archibald Basil Stanford, 1st Baronet, of Oxford" as the title, followed by a telephone number. "My card, if war is the result, then I wish to ensure that it's a conflict that does not affect our respective sides as much as other conflicts have. I trust that you will call to ensure that too." He whispered before turning towards the rest of the security council to address them. "Ladies and gentlemen, since the topic regarding Solaris has now been closed. I have no further reason to be here. I do not have a vote, I am not the representative of a nation, nor do I pledge allegiance to a nation. As such, I bid you all farewell and I must take my leave. Thank you for allowing my presence here and I appreciate that." Archibald placed his officers cap onto his head, the gold crossed batons of his Field Marshal rank on display as he nodded his head towards each individual world leader respectfully before passing another business card to President Kennedy and then leaving without another word.  |
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Post by Mendoza Chávez De La Hoya Card on Aug 12, 2016 17:47:45 GMT
Mendoza heard enough. Finally the Russian President is showing some more appreciated behaviour, acting like a major leader. Also, Mendoza Chávez De La Hoya Cardinal enjoyed the fury of words with the Russian Premier used. It is starting to make sense to the SAP delegation about the entire Solaris-debacle. “President Molchanov, please hold on. And Mister/Field Marshal Stanford, please don’t leave so sudden. It can be seen as an easy leaving before some.. let’s call them.. interesting.. words will hit the table.” Mendoza started once more. “Premier Voronov actually has a point. However the Solaris first came to birth in 2039, I believe that Mr Voronov has made a point that the capacity of the Solaris has been increased to higher numbers, even drastically numbers to our information…” Mendoza continued. He coughed once more. “So if the theory is correct, and because of the current numbers of Solaris satellite or devises or whatever floating around up there which belongs to the European Solaris Program, it can be the reason of the slowly increasing environmental changes over the years. We are too much focussing on the Siberia areas. As leader of the SAP, and as head of my delegation, we are also concerned of our own inflicted territories up north.”  “Crops what dried out or even large scale fires/increased heat temperatures. Local shortage of food and water is happening as we speak. Thus far, the SAP can work this out by themselves perfectly fine, but this has to stop if it is caused by something not naturally. Whatever the cause may be of this happenings, be aware that the South American Pact does not accept it.” Mendoza sighed. “Like Mr Voronov already stated, it is not funny watching citizens suffer from this. The aftermath is devastating, and will inflict long term damages. Field Marshal Stanford, if there is some secret European paperwork about that the Solaris was very dense in that particular area (Northern of the SAP) then better make sure that it remains a secret, and do something at least to thin out the numbers!... before it’s too late.” Mendoza looked for a couple of seconds to the ground. “Do not take my words too lightly, European Leader, neither see this as a war declaration. See this as an advice. If somebody, nation or person, can provide us the evidence, then I will speak a little less friendly most likely….” Mendoza nodded to Archibald Stanford. “Mr Voronov, if you got more, please present it. Or, I would ask you to continue the research back home once this UN summit is over. If there is another country who could solve this once and for all, please step forward.” Mendoza walked a few passes to the left, and looked up once more in the direction of the NAU. “President Kennedy. You are awful quiet after I requested/stated your action what you just did with President Molchanov. Know this, the SAP does not appreciate the capitalistic (forced) opinion to our collective interests.” Mendoza pointed towards the RF and the SAP delegations. “We are formed on the foundation to withstand the aggressive and economic behaviour from the North American Union. If we didn’t teamed up, we might have ended as several African Pacts/Unions….” Mendoza took once more his seat. “Thank you President Molchanov to pause your current subject. I needed to say this before we move on…” he explained. “Or some parties must insist to continue the Solaris discussions….” |
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Aug 12, 2016 21:11:51 GMT
Archibald had heard nothing of what Mendoza had said. The last trace of his presence was a glimpse of his uniformed person as the doors of the Security Council closed behind him. Mendoza was too late to stop his exit.
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