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Post by Ramon Cañarte Valverde on May 9, 2016 3:54:25 GMT
Despite having been invited cordially to a meeting on nuclear disarmament, this was easily the worst diplomatic meeting for Ramon. Russia pass from reliable partner to use brute force in the name from peace. This was a agreement with Russia imposed by force, a new chain in the development of the region. Avoid the Mutually Assured Destruction was noteworthy, but took years of research and tons of money before that the Hurricane Station was feasible. At least SAP will not have to run a nuclear race against the great powers. But there would be time to take revenge against the imperialist Russia now that has shown all its colors. At least this treaty should cover all weapons that harm civilians, and try to rescue at least one tool that the treaty could eliminate. Ramon speak to representatives. "Think that Russia fears that the chemicals that South America used to maintain a constant harvest during all the year, now they go from being a useful tool to alleviate hunger to be a weapon of mass destruction. Show me with certainty that can be used at strategic level and even at tactical level with a minimum of precision before accepting the part, even if seriously it affects the economy of all countries in the SAP. Any tank has more accuracy , and yet they are not weapons of mass destruction. Instead this treaty exonerate chemicals hundreds of times more dangerous. If the GLA can create or seize these weapons this treaty will be like give them the world in their hands. So instead of banning the use of legally secure chemicals in the atmosphere, the SAP proposes to eliminate or restrict the following materials in the arsenals: Phosgene oxime, Lewisite, Sulfur Mustard, Nitrogen Mustard, Tabun, Sarin, Soman, Cyclosarin, VX, Cyanogen chloride, Hydrogen cyanide , Chloropicrin, Phosgene,Diphosgene, Chlorine and any derivative with potential and real military use ".
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 9, 2016 3:54:35 GMT
Dmitry listened to everyone's words before holding up a hand to silence them. "Gentlemen, I believe I can explain Russia's position on this entire matter. As my Prime Minister has stated, no; the Tremor will not be kept as a weapon. The Advanced Grand Artillery System, or 'Tsar artillery' as it's colloquially called, will have no place in a Russian arsenal bent on tactical warfare. While it may have a 250 km range, it's too big and impractical to set up in a tactical situation. A nuclear missile trumps it in range and pure destructive power. We have the Father of All Bombs for that, as well as a stockpile of nuclear weapons below 1 kiloton. As for Edmund's statement on the GLA warfare, you are quite right. In war, we still have other means of fighting terrorists like the GLA and Collectivists on equal fronts. 300 kilos, 500 kilos, 1,000 kilos, it doesn't matter when you have the means to deliver weapons from heights beyond the capability of these backwater extremists. Now, any more questions in regards to things that have already been previously mentioned in the articles of this treaty?
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 9, 2016 4:02:25 GMT
Dmitry then turned to Ramon, who had spoken up for the first time in the meeting, "Mr. Canarte, to control the weather is something that should not be taken lightly. You could cause mass civilian devastation with such a weapon and be labeled a war criminal as such. And concerning the range, it could theoretically be used anywhere. And I do not fear your use of chemicals on crops. Do what you will with your own country's vegetation. As for your statement on chemical weapons, your capability to use them, let alone anyone else here, was banned under the Geneva Conventions in 1949. The GLA does not abide by the same laws we do, and therefore, are a threat to peace and the world, as we all know. Your amendment suggestion will not be passed as part of the treaty, as it already exists as part of a previous one."
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Post by Edmund Wilson on May 9, 2016 4:05:10 GMT
"The system Mr Valverde refers to is a device that, undoubtedly, can cause great suffering, but it has been demonstrated that it can be used for overwhelming good." Edmund remarked. "Perhaps there is a compromise that we can work out in regards to prohibiting the weaponisation of this without preventing it from causing a widespread humanitarian disaster? In regards to the gas and chemical weapons, we banned the use of such in treaties as far back as The Hague Convention of 1907."
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Post by Ramon Cañarte Valverde on May 9, 2016 4:19:24 GMT
Clearly , military use was never the goal. I'm sure the UN inspectors can verify much better and in person the peaceful use of any technology with the express purpose of weather modification. Respect to Chemical Weapons, the Geneva Conventions not have the problem from the GLA and that the goverments have samples and the capacity to produce these agents in response at the limits with the nuclear weapons. So we would be ratifying the treaty only if any country would like to change the nuclear arsenal by one chemical.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 9, 2016 15:17:29 GMT
"In regards to a nuclear weapon being changed by one chemical, that is false. A nuclear weapon will remain a nuclear weapon because it causes the same kind of energetic reactions. Adding a clause prohibiting the use of chemicals in warfare has, one, already been done, and two, would be a moot point. As for your weather-modifying chemicals, I'm with Edmund, Mr. Canarte. If we can reach a compromise for the use of your weather-control, then maybe I will allow for it to be used, but for civilian purpose only. Do you have any ideas?
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Post by Ramon Cañarte Valverde on May 9, 2016 20:23:23 GMT
"Now, with respect to the "problem" from weather-control, the facilities known as "Hurricane Station" are highly experimentals. The line between good weather and a disastrous hurricane is highly variable, and it could be used as a weapon. The countries in the SAP can approve the close the facilities. Regarding the use of chemical in the upper atmosphere, it is as easy as limit or the number of flights, or aircraft capacity to load the chemical. Again , let me remember that airplanes are limited and do not have the scope or sufficient tonnage to become a weapon. Besides atmospheric conditions are different in every part of the world. In the crops never use more from 60 mm from rain in a hour for square kilómeter. This level from precipitation can be admisible? The rain can be annoying, but not letal, and the cities can resist without problems if they have active their sewers. It is assuming that someone steals and uses the chemicals on urban areas,instead of rural areas as used in South America."
Clearly neither Russia or the other nations were willing to close completely their investigations or destroy the samples from chemicals weapons, so it is best to stop insisting on the issue, think Ramón.That will never be a problem in the future , in special with independient blocks , or worse, with the GLA.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 9, 2016 21:00:10 GMT
"Once again, we understand this situation between you and your crop production Ramon. However, your statements in regards to rain being 'annoying,' not lethal, are quite false. Acid rain is quite destructive to both the environment and people, with such a low PH level that it causes chemical burns and eats away at what it touches. There is also massive rains that can cause flooding, which also leads to death, chaos, and destruction for civilizations anywhere. Nowhere should know this more than the United States, which suffered from several massive hurricanes. Katrina and Sandy are the two that come to mind the most, which brought extreme winds and powerful rainfall that caused flooding in their respective regions." Dmitry then tented his fingers together, thinking on a possible solution for the SAP's weather manipulation and its effect on its own nation. "What if we added a clause on the prospect of using weather-manipulation only for peaceful purposes, and it must be deactivated in wartime with another major power? Or, if possible, just keep it for peaceful purposes." Dmitry then shrugged, having no particularly brilliant ideas on how to limit it, while still allowing the SAP to use it for its agriculture purposes.
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Post by Ramon Cañarte Valverde on May 9, 2016 23:42:49 GMT
"Mister Dmitry, it seems that you overestimate the potential of climate control. Actually the limit proposed is used on crops. Again repeat the number:from 1 to 60 mm from rain in a hour for square kilómeter. This corresponds to normal levels of rain and does not reach level torrential or cause floods. Furthermore it is limited to regions with both the chemical as the dispersers aircraft, which significantly limits any military use. Any other method of manipulate the weather, either for change the wind direction or artificial modification from temperature fall within the treaty and would be prohibited. Can assure you that the our cloud seeding method is ecofriendly and sure. The chemical have a has a neutral Ph, and temperature and Ph in the clouds are measured before proceeding. In addition, to achieve the levels of acidity from a acid rain, the chemical loads should be immense. No one pilot would fly with so dangerous loads from acids. Again, our chemical is not acid. We only have the problem of "natural" acid clouds, that under no circumstances should be target from cloud seeding."
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 10, 2016 1:00:32 GMT
"Once again, I'm fine with it for civilian purposes. However, the 'Hurricane Stations' need to be dismantled unless we all can get documentation on its use and what its capabilities are. It's just too great of a risk. If you refuse, all of the signatories have every right to destroy it themselves." Dmitry then patiently waited for Ramon's response. Although this was the first official dealing between Russia and the SAP that Dmitry could see in his presidency, he could clearly see that Ramon was a man of reason, and wouldn't back down from a deal aimed to protecting his property.
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Post by Ramon Cañarte Valverde on May 10, 2016 2:49:39 GMT
"Well, they are experimental. The details of its operation will not be necessary , as I said, these facilities will be dismantled, or at least until we make sure that it work only as a tool and not as a weapon." A reasonable sacrifice, think Ramon. In the worst case, from total war, there is always the backups to reconstruct in the project Pegaso. At least it will be a new world without nuclear annihilation.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 10, 2016 4:14:00 GMT
Dmitry thought for a moment on Ramon's offer before he nodded and clicked his pen. "Very well. I will add a note in the clause and send it for final printing. We shouldn't have to wait much longer for the world that we all truly desire." Dmitry then began writing down the note on the document pertaining to the use of weather manipulation for civil uses, as well as crossing out the draft name. Dmitry then handed the paper to Prime Minister Putin, who immediately started heading to create the document. In minutes-time, the document was returned, fully edited and now sealed with the official logo of the United Nations. A copy had even been faxed to Premier Wu due to his status in China. Dmitry then took his pen and took great satisfaction in signing the treaty that had been made. "Let it be known that today, that we, the nuclear powers of the world, forgo the doctrine of mutually assured destruction in favor of closer ties built upon our own skills, rather than the echoes of the past! Let it be known that today, that the likes of such a doctrine will never be brought back into warfare, and if it is, then may we strike each other down for our failures! And let it be known that today, we, the leaders of the modern world, are ready to truly embrace this philosophy by bringing down those who dare oppose us in our peace with the terms that this document has given us!" He then turned to the other leaders, awaiting their signatures. Edmund Wilson , Xingmin Wu , Ramon Cañarte Valverde , Jürgen Adler , Steven Freephoenix
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Post by The Warzone on May 11, 2016 4:52:46 GMT
All Tremor Posts moved to the Chatroom Corner please discuss it there.
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Post by Edmund Wilson on May 11, 2016 5:43:54 GMT
Edmund then approached the document and after retrieving the pen from Dmitry, proceeded to provide his mark.
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Post by Ramon Cañarte Valverde on May 13, 2016 17:00:21 GMT
Next was the representative of the South American Pact. It was a good idea, but the implementation was terrible. At least the peaceful uses of technologies were saved.
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