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Post by Edmund Wilson on May 6, 2016 15:53:23 GMT
Edmund frowned and leaned towards the television screen that had the Premier's face.
"Mr. Chairman. I applaud you for fighting your corner so that you can fight against The GLA, but I must implore you to abide by the range of 300km. All conventional artillery as far as I'm aware, can't even exceed 100 kilometres in distance and the reason that the number was 300km is because it limits all weapons to a purely tactical level. Extending the range to 1000 means that we'll be capable of reintroducing nuclear missiles that existed in the 1960's. The art of having nuclear weapons on our doorsteps will be reborn, maybe even resulting in another Cuban Missile Crisis." He countered. "Not only that, but this extension will also legalise the use of space based weapons. Kinetic Bombardment will remain a legitimate form of combat."
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 6, 2016 16:24:29 GMT
The Warzone please put up anmention list of all of those involved in this meeting. They have 72 hours to come up with any other amendments before we finalize this treaty.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 6, 2016 16:27:29 GMT
Dmitry listened to Edmund's statement in agreement, realizing that this would be true and crossing out the 1,000 kilos and miles range.
"Well, what about a compromise, say to 500 kilometers at most? Same as the warhead limit?
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Post by Edmund Wilson on May 6, 2016 17:06:36 GMT
Edmund cleared his throat and rubbed his temples in concentration before speaking.
"As long as an extra article is added, prohibiting the use of space based weaponry. 500km is still enough for a space based weapon to operate."
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 6, 2016 17:24:59 GMT
"Then we can add another article to prohibit space-based weapons, including ones that use kinetic energy." Dmitry then handed the pen and document to Edmund to make the necessary changes.
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Post by Edmund Wilson on May 6, 2016 20:54:49 GMT
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Post by The Warzone on May 7, 2016 10:32:40 GMT
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 8, 2016 18:43:48 GMT
Steven Freephoenix , Dmitry Molchanov, Jürgen Adler, Xingmin Wu, Ramon Cañarte Valverde (or General Rafael in his absence), & Edmund Wilson As Dmitry waited for response, he quickly finished edits, including adding a little more "fluff" to the next article of the treaty, as well as making another article in regards to super-weapons that could control the forces of nature themselves, so as to not exclude the SAP from this treaty. (OOC: You all have less than 24 hours to ask for further amendments, or this will be the finalized version of the treaty, and must be signed after May 9th, 10:24 GMT-7. Anyone who wishes to play the part of the NPCs of the Bangalore Pact Leaders, the Korean leader, and the Israeli leader are welcome to do so)
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Post by Xingmin Wu on May 8, 2016 23:16:15 GMT
"I hope the world realises that this would mean the GLA would be completely safe inside their borders."
The Chinese Leader glared at some members of the Nuclear Summit, before letting out an exasperated sigh.
He then reluctantly agreed to sign the treaty.
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Post by Aaron Williams on May 9, 2016 0:47:38 GMT
"It seems I'm the only one aware of the GLA's capabilities"
Aaron cleared his throat.
"The Scud missiles used by the GLA have a range of 700km if not 1,000*, 2more than the limitations of your treaty. On top of this, what purpose does limiting orbital weaponry accomplish beyond limiting our methods of self defense? Space-borne weapons such as the Particle Relay System and Solaris are tactical in nature, as opposed to wide-spread strategic weapons, beyond that, I would strongly advise you not to add a section of the treaty advocating war The last time any treaty of this manner had been signed, it started two seperate world wars."
* The Scud-D has a range of 700km. the North Korean scud derivative, the Rodong-1 (Arguably the most likely missile to be used in the Scud storm, given its greater range and power compared to standard scud launchers), has a range of 1000km.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 9, 2016 1:33:20 GMT
"I am well-aware of the limitations of the treaty as well, and how the GLA will be affected, Mr. Williams," Dmitry uncurled his hands and tried to recollect his thoughts after a quick bout of forgetfulness. He remembered what he was to say near-instantly, but it was still noticeable that he had forgotten. "But it is not your decision to decide whether or not we use 'self-defense' space-based systems such as the particle cannon network or the Solaris satellites as weapons. Even though they are on a tactical level, they can strike anywhere across the world, and therefore need to be dismantled or de-weaponized. That decision belongs to Mr. Freephoinex, who has already agreed to disassemble the particle uplink network as per the events of just 15 minutes ago (RP time). Perhaps we are willing to, if everyone is in agreement, allow for the use of weapons with a range of 1,000 kilometers against the Global Liberation Army. However, space-based weapons? I don't think so," Dmitry said as he wagged his finger at the end. He then cleared his throat once more, ready to counter Mr. Williams' next point on what he presumed was the Treaty of Versailles.  "And as for your statement on what I presume was the Treaty of Versailles, go back and relearn your history, Mr. Williams. The Treaty of Versailles was aimed only to Germany, rather than the entire world. It gave up its economy and its freedom many times, and that is why it started the Second World War. This treaty ensures that those who sign it have an equal chance at having war declared upon them by all for the possession of these weapons. This treaty states that we must be grown up enough to put away our 'baby bottles' for good, and that we are ready to usher a new era of peace with our own hands, not the hands of forces greater than the whole of humanity. Hold your tongue next time you decide to bring out history, for you clearly know nothing of it." Dmitry may have been harsh in his last few words, but he would not have the safety of the world threatened anymore by men willing to play god. "Now, back to the subject at hand: the GLA. I am willing to increase the distance limit to 1,000 kilometers, but only for fighting against the GLA and their Scud missiles. Once all is said and done, and the GLA have been erased from history, may we put our bottles away and fully limit ourselves." |
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Post by Xingmin Wu on May 9, 2016 2:32:17 GMT
Xingmin Wu reached out to his secretary. The secretary shortly brings back a folder containing intel. He nodded in agreement.
"I would not want to risk my men being outranged in a war against the new Collectivist Revolution, or any terrorist group for that matter. I am still in favor of bumping it up to 1,000km, no matter who we're fighting. If I may point out, there is quite a large loophole in this clause. Any nation will technically be able to create weapons that exceed the 500km limit, as long as they can make the claim that it is against the Global Liberation Army
Additionally, there is another issue I have with this article. Where does the feared Russian Tremor AGAS fit in all of this? From the reports I've heard, though the individual shells do not exceed the yield limit, the rapid fire destruction and the total amount of shells together can cause dense damage that far exceeds that amount. I propose we add a clause that fits your rapid-fire minisuperweapons into it as well."
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Post by Aaron Williams on May 9, 2016 2:36:06 GMT
(OOC: If the SAP doesn't respond soon, can I puppet them through Rafael?)
"Men in glass houses ought to not throw stones, Dmitry." Aaron Admonished, taking on a patronizing tone."The Treaty of Verasilles was hardly the cause of the World Wars, no, I refer to the situation prior to the first World War, the various treaties and mutual defense agreements of the early 20th Century which, with fair dose of bad luck, dragged the entire world as we knew it into war. The Second World War was merely a continuation of the first, guaranteed by the Treat of Verasilles. I did say it caused two World Wars after all did I not?"
"Your Treaty, as it currently stands, calls upon the entire world through threat of force and economic isolation, to attack any nation that breaks it. Yet what if they do not go down so easy? What if, they were to have allies, or a organization of multiple powers, much like the Central Powers? We'd be obligated to either wage war, or push them to the point where their situation is so desperate, war seems like a reasonable option."
"And what Mr. Wu has said is also quite notable, this treaty, if it were to come to pass, would neutralize the superweapon technology of every single power except the Russian Federation, indeed weapons that are not affected by other parts of the treaty, such as the Weather Control Systems of our esteemed neighbors in the south, were given their own articles for the explicit purpose of banning their use. Could this be the true purpose behind the treaty?"
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Post by Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin on May 9, 2016 3:09:58 GMT
Putin coughed to gain the attention of the world leaders.  "You seem to be treating President Molchanov with... Uhhh... Much distrust." He remarked. "The Tremor, that you all seem so afraid of, is an artillery piece that outranges everything at an impressive 2000 kilometres. If I'm not mistaken, that outclasses everything you can field and it also is in contravention of the articles pertaining to the range limit. I'm sure it doesn't need saying, but I will anyway, that The Tremor AGAS will have its life extinguished." |
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Post by Edmund Wilson on May 9, 2016 3:25:03 GMT
"Gentlemen." Edmund interrupted. "You all talk about being outclassed by terrorists in terms of the range of missiles. I must remind you that we possess technology from the very beginning of the 1900's which makes this argument of being outclassed and out-ranged moot."  "Do we not possess strategic aircraft? Does the US not possess the largest fleet of B52 bomber aircraft? Do we, The British Isles, not possess the Victor and Vulcan Bombers? Are we not the great powers that can field aircraft in numbers that The GLA can merely fantasise about?" He explained bluntly. "We may be neutering the powers of our missiles, but we are not preventing the use of aircraft. Aircraft are more than capable of being able to fly at heights far above the range of anything the GLA can field in the area of anti-aircraft warfare and the limit of a kiloton is more than enough for the purposes you claim will be taken from you. On the contrary, this treaty does not allow The GLA to act with impunity in its borders, it does nothing of the sort. Do we not possess conventional bombs? Laser guided smart bombs? GPS guided bombs?" He then took a gulp of his lime and soda to wet his throat. "Our capabilities to wage war against the GLA would not be in any way changed. We have the capabilities to ensure that we can strike anywhere inside their territory without the slightest risk to the pilots who fly the aircraft of the nations we lead." |
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