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Post by The Warzone on May 11, 2016 7:42:46 GMT
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Post by General Rafael on May 11, 2016 10:10:09 GMT
Quite. Looking from a non-biased perspective/purely scientific perspective, the Tremor is described as "Rivaling the range of the most advanced short-range ballistic missiles"
Now, official designations for short range ballistic missiles consider all ballistic missiles bellow 1,001km in range to be SRBMs.
Note however, that Advanced and Longest Range are not quite synonymous. Many SRBMs like the Dongfeng* and the Shahab, are simply attempts to create ICBM-style long range strategic weapons that fall short due to lack of capability. Using the definition of "Most Advanced", purpose-built SRBMs vary from 500km to 300km.
Fun Fact: The Dongfeng line split into the main Dongfeng ICBM series, and a series of SRBM designs with a range below 500km. Thus, Purpose-built SRBMs can be classed as 500-300km, as opposed to 1000km.
Aheh..........Why am I on Rafael?
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Post by Martin Lichtman on May 12, 2016 10:23:51 GMT
Yes I agree. The range of AGAS does not need to be further reduced IMO.
Considering the Superweapon reduction treaty, these numbers fit just fine.
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Post by Baako Ahmed on May 12, 2016 11:50:38 GMT
I agree too, it wouldn't be fair if it's further reduced in my opinion
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Post by Luigi De La Luciano on May 12, 2016 13:41:19 GMT
Hello all.
I disagree with the estimate ranges.
I will agree to David and Markus' earlire concerns.
The main purpose of the Tremor AGAS is not it's range, but with a single attack bringing a city down.
a small city would be leveled with a single attack, while a large city would be damaged beyond imagination.
That's the main power of the machine.
The arguements of the 500 kilometres is therefore rediculous. I agree to the arguement that the Russians has their famous TOPOL ICBM capacities.
greetings from
Luigi
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 12, 2016 13:48:33 GMT
Well, if you go back up, you will find an explanation for its [ridiculous] range in the first place: rocket-assisted shells with more powerful propellants than in WWI (where the longest-range artillery gun was 136 km, and remains the longest-range artillery to this very day) and gas-ignition along the barrels. The Tremor itself is highly unconventional, and a 500 kilometer range is perfectly fine (if I wanted to keep it), but I would prefer to keep a Russian arsenal tactical in nature, rather than strategic. Either way, since it can destroy a city (only with its nuclear shells, its HE shells are probably much less powerful, and therefore exaggerated in their power), it would be banned anyways under the Treaty of Moscow, because it would possess a collective strength of shells over the 1 kiloton limit.
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Post by Ramon Cañarte Valverde on May 13, 2016 17:16:36 GMT
The Tremor is the most "conventional" from the Superweapons. The range from 500 Km. is fine for me. Is a universe where you join a nuclear reactor into a car and it works , somehow. Until someone have a detailed technical explanation , it is best to say that work by magic from lore.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 13, 2016 21:16:32 GMT
Well, if you go back up, you will find an explanation for its [ridiculous] range in the first place: rocket-assisted shells with more powerful propellants than in WWI (where the longest-range artillery gun was 136 km, and remains the longest-range artillery to this very day) and gas-ignition along the barrels. The Tremor itself is highly unconventional, and a 500 kilometer range is perfectly fine (if I wanted to keep it), but I would prefer to keep a Russian arsenal tactical in nature, rather than strategic. Either way, since it can destroy a city (only with its nuclear shells, its HE shells are probably much less powerful, and therefore exaggerated in their power), it would be banned anyways under the Treaty of Moscow, because it would possess a collective strength of shells over the 1 kiloton limit. This is an explanation for the Tremor's rediculous range. |
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Post by David Van Rotterdam on May 19, 2016 12:38:20 GMT
As requested by The Warzone The Tremor is by default just a stupid overtuned Howitzer based weapon. Nothing Nuclear, and rocket assisted? That's unlogic because of the 'hit' that the payloads receive to gain speed and be launched out of the cannons of this machine. The 'slam' would destroy the 'rocket assisted parts'. The Nuclear part is actually true. This weapon could be loaded with it, as stated in the Weapon's explenation. Yet, destroying a city is just by default payload, read closely please. As stated, this weapons main purpose is to level a city, NOT it's range. The Russians have their TOPOLs for that, else, the Lore would stated that in the Russian/Euro war the Tremor would be deployed instead of the TOPOLs. So please stop pulling monkeys out of the sleeves people. I already suggested a proposal for the range of this weapon as an alternative. Nag in his rage, didn't read it or ignored it. He went personal with this entire debacle to me and made several claims against me. Sinds even Cell aknowledge that I have been mistreatend in the past, made me make this decision. I also stated to Bruce that I would find it sad to leave the RP, or see it crumble to nothing. I also felt insulted over nag's behaviour in the chatgroup on Skype. Specially the abusing of his mod powers. This last part is happening now. I am watching for days what is happening here. Basically, nearly nothing. No active US and/or ECA. Nag, you with your raging over somebody (again) resulted in this. Speaking for myself, I wasn't aware that this would be the outcome that the RP nearly stagnates totally. I always could have a nice discussion with Nag about several issues. And most of the times either one of us is convinced by the other. I helped him in the early days to deal with the crap which the former Russians left behind. Second, he claims this weapon will be deleted, but keeps demanding a rediculous range for it. I question WHY would he go this far to meet his demands? THAT was my concern at the first place. The weapon may or may not be deleted, but if we agree to somekind of a range, that could resolve in future operations to accept or disagree with this range. Russia will hold of course the Tremor Technology. So if this 'precious' treaty will be broken one day, I say IF, than we got this rediculous ranged OP weapon back on the fields. That was my entire struggle, and I tried to work this out. For as the treaty, I see that as the second attempt to propose to limit the Super Weapons, which I originally started. All this together was why I reacted to Sam's proposal for more moderators. I see the need, but I predict that that would solve in more problems. Thank god that was shared and rejected. I guess this was what I would want to share. Thank you, and have a nice day Dave |
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Post by The Warzone on May 19, 2016 14:04:06 GMT
As requested by The Warzone The Tremor is by default just a stupid overtuned Howitzer based weapon. Nothing Nuclear, and rocket assisted? That's unlogic because of the 'hit' that the payloads receive to gain speed and be launched out of the cannons of this machine. The 'slam' would destroy the 'rocket assisted parts'. The Nuclear part is actually true. This weapon could be loaded with it, as stated in the Weapon's explenation. Yet, destroying a city is just by default payload, read closely please. As stated, this weapons main purpose is to level a city, NOT it's range. The Russians have their TOPOLs for that, else, the Lore would stated that in the Russian/Euro war the Tremor would be deployed instead of the TOPOLs. So please stop pulling monkeys out of the sleeves people. I already suggested a proposal for the range of this weapon as an alternative. Nag in his rage, didn't read it or ignored it. He went personal with this entire debacle to me and made several claims against me. Sinds even Cell aknowledge that I have been mistreatend in the past, made me make this decision. I also stated to Bruce that I would find it sad to leave the RP, or see it crumble to nothing. I also felt insulted over nag's behaviour in the chatgroup on Skype. Specially the abusing of his mod powers. This last part is happening now. I am watching for days what is happening here. Basically, nearly nothing. No active US and/or ECA. Nag, you with your raging over somebody (again) resulted in this. Speaking for myself, I wasn't aware that this would be the outcome that the RP nearly stagnates totally. I always could have a nice discussion with Nag about several issues. And most of the times either one of us is convinced by the other. I helped him in the early days to deal with the crap which the former Russians left behind. Second, he claims this weapon will be deleted, but keeps demanding a rediculous range for it. I question WHY would he go this far to meet his demands? THAT was my concern at the first place. The weapon may or may not be deleted, but if we agree to somekind of a range, that could resolve in future operations to accept or disagree with this range. Russia will hold of course the Tremor Technology. So if this 'precious' treaty will be broken one day, I say IF, than we got this rediculous ranged OP weapon back on the fields. That was my entire struggle, and I tried to work this out. For as the treaty, I see that as the second attempt to propose to limit the Super Weapons, which I originally started. All this together was why I reacted to Sam's proposal for more moderators. I see the need, but I predict that that would solve in more problems. Thank god that was shared and rejected. I guess this was what I would want to share. Thank you, and have a nice day Dave Thanks for the reply! You are right, the Tremor will be back in the future,if the treaty is broken. Even if the plans of the Tremor are destroyed, nothing is stopping a Generation 2 Tremor will be produced. At that point, it can even be used aganist the Russians. Now, please tell me what range would you like to propose for the Tremor. |
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Post by David Van Rotterdam on May 19, 2016 15:52:12 GMT
what I suggested for it's range? I already explained that. I suggested max 250 kilometres. That's still 100 km longer than the best howitzer cannon. It is too farfetched with supporting rocket boosters and stuff like that. If the treaty will be worked out as maximum from 500 kilometres, than I call that bad luck. Again, Russia has Cruisemissiles, ICBM's and TOPOLs for that range (or even longer, incase the treaty will be broken) Nag's sudden claim to 'upgrade' it to 500 kilometre is still too farfetched. 1, Howitzers cannot reach that range, as already explained, and even with some backgroundresearch. 2, Russia has plenty of other choices. 3, The Tremor is one of the biggest conventional massive damage dealers (levels entire cities) 4, Deal with it. 5, Nag already explained that the weapon will be banned, why making such a big deal out of it?. 6, The Warzone understands the future possible treath of this weapon. 7, Russia could obviously start researching a different kind of weapon, but what isn't farfetched or not possible. Nuclear Shells are possible of course. The Tremor by default has way more destruction force than the treaty allows Rocket based shells is plain dumb. The weapons core is based on a Howitzer System, not Tomahawk. I think I explained it enough. If you still have questions about personal matters, feel free to ask Sam or whomever. signed, Dave |
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 19, 2016 16:19:40 GMT
You aren't even a part of the RP. Why do you even care?
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Post by David Van Rotterdam on May 19, 2016 20:04:36 GMT
I am still part of this RP, even when I am not around anymore. I just stated that I will leave or pause the RP from my side, therefor, I granted The Warzone his request to reply to this threat. Nag, who is patronizing now? Perhaps it would be wise to scratch behind your ears and think about your part in this. This is also referring that you contacted the commies who suddenly were once more active and punch me on this site. That, my former friend, was very... very low... since we once thought the same about the earlier shenanigans. Sam made a request, which I granted to answer here. Instead of reacting to the comment in commen, you are trying to bash me instead. I can remember something about a high horse... Last, I am sick of defending myself continuesly for such things. You (guys) should try to read my lines less literary, since once more, I need to translate everything. Even other people are convinced from this. Remember that. Be constructive, instead of deconstructive/demolishing (or whatever it is called in proper English) |
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Post by The Warzone on May 20, 2016 9:34:26 GMT
Official Statement : The Tremor will have a maximum range of 250 Kilometers.
If the treaty is broken in the Future then if the Tremor is OP, The range will be further decreased.
However this will only happen if the Tremor actually features in the Roleplaying which it will not till the treaty is broken.
Case Closed, you may all now settle your differences and move on.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on May 20, 2016 18:41:37 GMT
The Warzone I've already stated that, given its range and power, the Tremor will have no place in a Russian arsenal bent more towards tactical warfare. So, does its range even matter? Both Retro and I gave our words, both OOCly and ICly. So, there shouldn't be a problem with the Tremor's range at all. Dave's just being distrusting because of reasons that are, as of yet, unknown to me; however, I believe it has something to do with his massive ego and anti-Russian sentiments both IC and OOC. Or maybe it's a personal vendetta against me, of whicj I know not the reasons for.
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