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Post by Wang Xi Jintao on Dec 25, 2016 19:37:46 GMT
Original Posts :- (I have questioned Rohan about the hack capabilities in a private message earlier. Now I want to try them out. Hope you still like drama  First Objective: Deploy counterfeit information to the Russian Kurmuk research facility base Second Objective: Order the Tremor AGAS to attack a target of my wishes.
Both objectives must be a success in order to ‘hack’ the Tremor and let it fire.
1,6 - Information given confirmed false by other faction 2,4 - Information given is undecided by other faction 3,6 - Information given is confirmed true by other faction 1,6 – Attack orders given is confirmed false and not executed by other faction. 2,4 – Attack orders given is undecided by other faction. 3,6 – Attack orders given is confirmed true and executed by other faction. I need you to commit twice a dice roll with a 6 sided dice. Rohan demanded that the opposing faction should dice roll in order to see what will happen. If I receive the numbers, then I can make my post) Sorry m8. I guess it's clear now that China's going to be a problem for Russia. >:-< Hack detected: Russian Forces on alert  Hack Detected: Possible use of Tremor authorized. Beginning counter-hacking operations 
Операция: Овен Счетчик Операция Operation: Aries Counter Operation
Deception and trickery
In the bowels of Sudan, it was clear that the Russians were still prepared for as conflict. While it was clear that the Russo-European relations were destabilizing, another threat was looming over the horizon, and it would start here.
"Polkovnik! Neizvestnyy signal popytalsya bresh' cherez nashi brandmauery! (Colonel! An unknown signal has attempted a breach through our firewalls!)" one of the Russian cyber-protectors reported. Colonel Izotov looked to the man in surprise before making a quick order.
"Trassirovka signal obratno k yego istochniku! Eto mozhet byt' GLK! (Trace the signal back to its source! This may be GLA!)" he ordered. Several hours of tracing later, the report had come in: Chinese hackers had attempted a breach into Russian communications.
"O, kak tol'ko Kreml' ovladevayet etogo, oni sobirayutsya imet' polevoy den', (Oh, once the Kremlin gets a hold of this, they're going to have a field day.)" the Colonel stated, already typing up an email to his superior officers back in Moscow. China had messed up, big time now.(complaint: I did a mistake with the dice numbers. 1,6 ; 2,4 ; 3,6 should have been.. 1,4 ; 2,5 ; 3,6. Granted, I acknowledge it and it failed. However, I only asked you to provide me with 2 dicerolls. I could have made my post with those numbers. I believe I have a second complaint. How did you know it is the Chinese? I had no opportunity to make a post. Neither did you do a counter dice roll (request or scouting or any of these kinds). Therefore, the only thing was plausible is that there was an attempt to hack. Not what, since the First Objective failed. Not where, since no scouting was done. Even not trying to obtain it’s source. You have not given me an opportunity to work out the information hack. You have given me not a fair chance to try my luck to dodge the counter hacking. I was convinced that the Chinese had the best hackers after all. You have no solid evidence that it was China. You could have used this to blame a different nation after all. I am disappointed that you are this eager to make a move. I am disappointed in the bad numbering from me. I am disappointed in the luck of the draw and I am disappointed that you did not ask first before acting, rather despite you were in your right or not. I am disappointed that you already made this a news announcement, before I could even react.) |
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 25, 2016 19:51:09 GMT
(OOC: Okay, while your complaint is valid, there is a reason as to why I knew it was the Chinese. This was a double failure on your part, and signals from opposing computers can be traced back. Knowing this, it's safe to assume that, because of these failures, the hackers' signals were traced back. As for blaming another nation for the hack, that is not Russia's foreign policy: to lie about others and be propagandist to meet their ends. Be disapointed in the bad numbering, be disapointed in the luck of the draw, feel free to feel disapointed in me. But, whether or not I was in the right or wrong here and for the news announcement, but the story's been affected in its entirety, and now China needs to answer for its attempt to hack into a super weapon of that magnitude. I hope that there are no hard feelings as a result of this, and we can still continue the story, as it has gotten a lot more interesting now.  |
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Post by Wang Xi Jintao on Dec 25, 2016 20:12:41 GMT
(I beg you to explain why you are so certain to say it’s safe to point to the Chinese? Can you link a nearby hacker directly back to its homeland?
I had come up with multiple story ideas. You gave me no opportunity to make a single one. Your counter statement about that the story is continuing is not legit, since I had no chance to bring either a post, nor a complaint earlier then now, 1 day later.
I am convinced that 1 day is not much to either alternate posts or even discuss my complaint.
I have access to the world’s best hackers. And you forget that my hero unit is a member from the Black Lotus program.
I will await the Administrators decision.)
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 25, 2016 20:26:40 GMT
(OOC: Yes, you can. While China may possess the best hackers in-RP, Russia possesses the second best. You should've expected to be traced back to you, because while Russia does have the AEDP to worry about, it's pretty clear that they don't have a recognized cyber-warfare force. The only other candidate would be the NAU, and since they're our allies, that rules that out of the question. Same with the SAP. That only leaves China and the GLA, and considering the GLA has not shown an aptitude for cyber-warfare on the scale of hacking an entire superweapon, it's clearly pointed at China. As for 1 day not being enough, the news report's already made, the claim's already set in private communications. Once again, I apologize for the inconvenience of this outcome, but just because it is inconvenient does not mean that the RP needs to stagnate or stand still, given that we're currently on real life time as well with the RP, not just RP time.
Now, that being said, I will also await the administrator's decision on this.)
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Post by The Warzone on Dec 26, 2016 11:30:56 GMT
On the first issue, the dice numbers that I gave in PM were themselves wrong. The roll that happened was on that flawed system and as such it would get voided. So there is no choice here but to do the roll again on the correct system. So all events that happened after the roll are voided because :- System given was wrong -> Roll was flawed -> Subsequent events that happened are unfair because the system was wrong. He did give two dice rolls ? Dice Roll 1 : rolz.org/embed?X18463444Dice Roll 2 : rolz.org/embed?X18463442As to why Russia's counter hack will fail :- The number got was 6. On the wrong system based, it meant :- Dice Roll 1 1, 6 - Information given confirmed false by other faction 3, 6 - Information given is confirmed true by other faction Dice Roll 2 1, 6 – Attack orders given is confirmed false and not executed by other faction. 3, 6 – Attack orders given is confirmed true and executed by other faction. On contradictory results, a decision cannot be taken. So all subsequent events to the dice roll get voided. Second issue :- Both of your points are right, China has advanced hackers and they should be able to mask their presence. Russia also has advanced hackers who could trace the source. Since both sides are in a stalemate, unless there is a mutual agreement, a dice system has to be used and individual decisions should not be taken. On the hacking thing, here are the actual numbers :- Fixed Now*There is currently no system on how this would work. However, I can give you some tips on how it could work. "to gain Intel" First Objective : What type of information do you want ? Second Objective : You make a dice setup so that the information gathering will remain balanced. For example, use a Dice setup :- 1,6 - No information obtained 2,4 - Partial information obtained 3,5 - Full information obtained "screw up the other faction" 1,6 - Faction gets completely screwed 2,4 - Faction gets partly screwed 3,5 - Faction does not get screwed "deploy false information to them for own benefits" Again use dice system for this 1,6 - Information given confirmed false by other faction 2,4 - Information given is undecided by other faction 3,5 - Information given is confirmed true by other faction "lure them out and attack a third party" Objective - 1 : Who is the Third Party ? 1,6 - Lure is confirmed false by other faction 2,4 - Lure is undecided by other faction 3,5 - Lure is confirmed true by other faction How a counter hack would work :- 1,6 - Counter Hack Successful, Origin traced, solid evidence 2,4 - Counter Hack Partly successful, 2-3 origins traced, flimsy evidence 3,5 - Counter Hack Failed, no origin traced, no evidence
Admin Judgement :- All events happening after the roll are voided and Russia and China will have to do the rolls again. Dmitry Molchanov Wang Xi JintaoIf you disagree with the admin judgement then say so and then a joint voting will happen with the faction leaders. |
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 26, 2016 17:58:45 GMT
While I do not take this issue personally, I do believe that this shouldn't be voided for several reasons: one, the work around it has already been done, and editing/deleting it all would take more time and effort than what is currently needed, as well as screw up the storyline that's been presented. Second, from a story-based perspective, the political and military climate of the RP has gotten a LOT more interesting, with the Chinese now in a tricky position. I believe that this is a good test of not only the militaries of major powers aside from scaremongering, training, and movement, but also makes conflict in the RP so much easier with another major power, allowing us to experiment and see how we can improve conflicts with major powers, rather than continue with increasing aggression with the AEDP until the pot boils over or fight against terrorists.
Understand that I am looking at this point mainly from a pragmatic point of view, as well as a story-based point of view, rather than one of "fairness" (life is not fair, and neither is war). While this system is, in and of itself, reasonable and pragmatic in and of itself, I do believe that since the wrong system was put into play, and the events and posts have already been written up. Plus, if we look at it from a story-based perspective, it's clear that Russia would assume China hacked or attempted to hack them anyways, and here are is the reason as to why: China is the most likely candidate to do so, regardless of hostilities.
The NAU, while a suspect, would not be considered due to being allied with the Russian Federation and the relations between the 2 continuing to improve; same with the SAP. The GLA doesn't have a standardize cyberwarfare force, but rather possesses loose connections to infamous black hats both in and out of the black market. To hack the Tremor facility, it would take someone with not only a standardized hacking force, but the funds and resources necessary to ensure that it can get past the firewalls or at least attempt to; the GLA's hacking forces are more or less an annoyance than an actual threat, and are usually used for stealing/implanting false information or committing acts of cyberterrorism (virus upload to civilian computers, attempting to implant a Trojan, bug, or virus within military or civilian systems, etc.), not for breaking through major military firewalls and attempting to take control of something as heavily protected and encrypted as a super weapon. The AEDP-backers don't necessarily have a reason to try and hack into a superweapon as dangerous as the Tremor, as it would put their forces in jeopardy. The only logical assumption that could be made in any circumstance would be the Chinese, seeing as they not only possess a standardized and very substantial cyberwarfare force, but one that has shown its capabilities time and again in a more direct manner (embezzling funds via the internet, hacking into security and mainframe systems of bases, disabling vehicles on the battlefield, etc.). If anything, even if the origin wasn't traced and no evidence was found, a process of elimination would leave Russia with only two likely candidates, the AEDP (very unlikely, seeing as it wouldn't benefit the AEDP in hacking into a super weapon and causing it to fire on something else when they very clearly have more of a stance on protecting European interests than some petty game between Russia and Europe) and the PRC (the most likely option, seeing as they don't have a reason not to hack into a superweapon system and place blame on someone else. Corruption runs rampant through the Chinese anyway, and has done so for hundreds upon hundreds of years.).
If this is TL;DR, then let me break it down. Don't want it voided because this provides opportunities for the roleplay to go in another direction aside from Russia vs Europe or world vs GLA, makes sense from a story-based and pragmatic perspective, and would mean that all the work that's already been done is put to waste and means absolutely nothing.
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Post by Wang Xi Jintao on Dec 27, 2016 20:44:32 GMT
The numbers were a failure. The fact that 1 man typed them wrong, and another blindfolded copied them is a poor situation itself. Yet I was even okay, with a failure on the hack attempt. My complaint is not the failure, fair or because the basics weren’t correct.
I wrote the complaint because of 2 facts:
1. I gently asked to provide me with 2 dice results. So I could make the post. To my disappointment, I was not allowed to write it.
2. I was surprised that the counter hacking was an imminent success. This itself, is a disappointment.
You might be right that it would be an interesting results. Yes it would be, failure or success. Despite the effort from your side, I choose to remain with these 2 simple arguments.
If the hack should be go over entirely, fine with me, although I am also fine by a failed hack, but with no solid evidence against China, as I requested before. Your explanation on how to accuse China is rubbish; Even allied countries hack each other countless times. Since it is a fail, it could be anyone, combined that I had zero opportunity to write my post of the attempt.
I would suggest that the administrator has the final word.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 28, 2016 6:00:56 GMT
Okay, saying that my accusation being rubbish is farsical in and of itself. IRL, allied countries do not hack each other, or that could be seen as a declaration of war by some. Recently, relations between Russia and the US deteriorated because of a known Russian hack into private emails belonging to the Clintons, resulting in accusations of election tampering from abroad. As for the context of the roleplay, what would anyone else have to gain? JFK and Dmitry are aiming to improve relations between the countries, Mendoza wouldn't dare endanger his biggest economic and military asset, Abdul doesn't have the technical capability to do so, and hacking into another country's superweapons would bring the supposedly clean reputation of Archibald to a point where anything he says regarding the rules of warfare could be seen as hypocritical. The only other candidate is Premier Jintao, and considering China's long history of corruption and stealing from other countries (along with recent events pointing Jintao to hold personal honor and dignity higher than political standing), it's safe to assume that China attempted to hack the Tremor AGAS facility in Kurmuk. The administrator does have the final word, but keep in mind that if we're thinking realistically, China would've fucked up in that regard, and with stories already having been written around it, it's clear that erasing it would erase a large portion of the timeline.
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Post by The Warzone on Dec 28, 2016 6:43:25 GMT
Voting on the issue will start when I get the free time to make the poll. The majority vote on the poll will be the final decision. As there are 6 votes I will also vote as a tiebreaker vote in the end if a tie happens. Only Wang Xi Jintao will get one final counter post. After that please do not continue the discussion in this thread. Feel free to discuss it in PM from that point onwards. |
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Post by The Warzone on Dec 28, 2016 11:06:41 GMT
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Post by The Warzone on Dec 28, 2016 15:27:17 GMT
Please read Wang's last post before voting.
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Post by Wang Xi Jintao on Dec 28, 2016 18:39:46 GMT
Unfortunate earlier today as my laptop lost connection with the internet. I lost my post. Thank you Rohan to post the message which I still could send by use of my mobile device during coffee break.
I will be honest, and perhaps repeat myself. For that, forgive me.
I cannot see a point in Dmitry’s post towards the 2 arguments of mine, while I reacted to his argument of the timeline. It might occur that some post should be adjusted with the possible outcome of this complaint issue. Yet I felt disadvantaged since there was not a single opportunity for me to reply.
Dmitry’s explanation of his earlier argument is similar. But an easy counter is that a plot twist could occur, let’s say a different nation would have hacked. Dmitry stated that this will be most interesting, China’s move. I’d say, it is more interesting if a different faction did it. How would the story be if a friendly organisation organized this?
I had earlier conversations with the administrator on how to use the Chinese hacking capabilities. The system what came out of it is based on the luck of the draw. I would suggest, since this also goes for scouting overall, why not a counter movement should be determined by the same factor? Or should I have just called a successful hack straight away?
I repeat: I am fine with an unfortunate result by the dice. It will be a hard one, but I will stand up for it. It is indeed interesting, a success and a failure. No doubt about it, since my target was also quite a story maker. Even by a failure it would be interesting. My thoughts were also about it and several plot twists came up.
Perhaps the voting isn’t quite fair: the choice to do a full redo, or stick with the already made up part from Dmitry. I am still open to accept the failure, but only a fair chance to the counter hack. But please, for this, read my former post and my 2 arguments.
Rest me to say, next time: please give me my opportunity to make a post when I gently ask.
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Dec 31, 2016 2:55:07 GMT
I wish to state here and now that while Nag's point regarding usage of hacking in the Chinese military IS immense. He fails to realise that he's only privy to the actions that one can see in game that, for the most part, don't require a person to hide their presence. After all, the usage of Black Lotus operatives and hackers to disable vehicles are a function that won't be helped if they were to take steps to conceal their attempt to hack such systems. However, with something as immense as the Tremor and the diplomatic backlash that would erupt if they were to be caught since it's during peacetime, it's ludicrous, even criminally ludicrous, to suggest that they would be careless enough to not hide themselves from any attempt to, and I quote from a drunk and abusive father of some random American bimbo, "backtrace" the hackers by the Russian "cyber police and state police". So, I am all for the plotline continuing, but I am adamant that the immediate discovery of it being Chinese in origin is utter tosh and should be changed. In the words of cancerous internet memes:  |
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Post by Abdul-Al Rashid on Dec 31, 2016 8:54:17 GMT
Well I had a hard time voting for this, as stated by my OOC post in discord. So I vote for the plotline continuing for it may cause a rip in the fabric of space and time. it has already been done, If the system is flawed, It shouldn't had been done in the first place. Things may be changed by going back in time but for me, It's already been said and done. Well due to my vote, it seems we have a tie? :potato Also on the side note, Nag should've pointed out on those evil sixes... It seems you want this to happen. Also the reason why I voted for the plotline continuing is because of the many possible situations this could erupt, imagine... Europe and China teaming up against the Russian Federation... Well what I'm saying is this could bring up potential, Wang Xi Jintao , you shouldn't be upset at this at my perspective. If I were you I would be happy that the Russians discovered the hack, since it brings RP potential. You know a win-win for me if I were the premier. The fact that the Russians discovered the Chinese is somewhat... weird, Since China has the best hackers in the RP universe (correct me if I'm wrong) it seems weird how they just left evidence to show that it was them. However, even the best of the best can make mistakes. Also I hope that people will review their posts next time, or at least ask if the suggested system is OK. P.S. Please no hate |
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Post by The Warzone on Jan 5, 2017 7:39:34 GMT
No point in dragging this out. Poll results are in, Plotline stays. Wang Xi Jintao and Dmitry Molchanov, plan out how the RP will go on from this point onwards. |
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(I have questioned Rohan about the hack capabilities in a private message earlier. Now I want to try them out. Hope you still like drama 
