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Post by Andrey Voronov on Sept 6, 2015 19:03:19 GMT
Welcome back to FFN. Our top story of the afternoon is the closed diplomatic meeting in Belgrade, where unaligned European delegates have assembled to negotiate with the CSTO about the possibilities of joining the CSTO or at least becoming an ally to member nations.
Ever since Russian General Sergei Varennikov's rousing speech in Warsaw, where the perfidious Europeans attempted to obtain several 'human shields' to use against the CSTO in the future, delegations of neutral nations within Europe left after being outraged at ECA deceit and greed. The CSTO approached these downtrodden nations and offered more than the ECA could possibly have. It's very likely that the delegation in Belgrade will join the CSTO, as ongoing CSTO protests and demonstrations have influenced nations greatly, by showing that the only true friend to them is the CSTO, not the ECA.
Within Croatia, pro-CSTO protests and demonstrations continue, paralyzing infrastructure. Even in Zagreb, what some call a pool of western influence, NAU and ECA embassies are blocked by crowds against the attempted colonization of Croatia by either side. Even police are abandoning their posts and joining in the protests.
Arrests continue all over these nations, uncovering more corrupt links in the government and populace. Many of the arrested are tied to the ECA, and are vehemently anti-CSTO to the point of violence. Some are even tied to fascist and neo-nazi groups. This is thanks to a steady influx of Russian intelligence information.
Meanwhile, in Kiev, a bomb attack upon the Antonov factory building has severely damaged said building, but thanks to the massive pro-CSTO protests which many employees 'blew off' work for, only a few men and women ultimately unimportant to the inner workings of the facility were killed. Many Antonov staff, such as the senior design bureau, have fled to Russia to escape certain death since it seems they were the ones targeted, and those who did not flee stayed back to lead the ever-larger protests in favor of Russia. The culprit lies unknown, but since the upheaval will likely result in Ukraine rejoining with Russia, it is most likely an ECA operation meant to threaten the innocent men and women of Ukraine from joining the CSTO.
In addition, a massive public information campaign has majorly reduced positive opinion of the ECA and has done the opposite to CSTO public opinion: a large positive spike. At best, the ECA appears to be disliked, as citizens say, because of their "search for vassals and human shields".
In other news, President Voronov called for the "deadly solar superweapon, the Solaris" to be removed from space, as new studies majorly implicate the Solaris satellites in climate change...
(OOC: No response in a week's time by ECA = neutral nations become part of the CSTO, same for NAU with Croats/Oats.)
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Post by David Van Rotterdam on Sept 7, 2015 5:57:42 GMT
The Warzone, Andrey Voronov, Sergei Varennikov, Nikola Pasic, John Miller, @rawry4eva, Jürgen AdlerI say again. I am waiting with some PM's or on skype, to talk about the Neutral States, and some questionable posts. yet you decide to throw some gasoline on this fire. I only ask you.. WHY? why do you lack the decentcy to talk this out? second. I do not acknowlegde this post. the 7 days countdown shall wait till we talk this out, I suggest grtz Dave
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Post by Andrey Voronov on Sept 7, 2015 6:05:19 GMT
Hey, I'm just finishing what you started, using your standards for a post.
Doesn't matter if you acknowledge the post or not, it's real and just because you whine, bitch, and moan, it's existence will not change.
Now sincerely get off my thread, I'm getting sick of your sh** and lies.
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Post by The Warzone on Sept 7, 2015 8:21:41 GMT
The Warzone, Andrey Voronov, Sergei Varennikov, Nikola Pasic, John Miller, @rawry4eva, Jürgen AdlerI say again. I am waiting with some PM's or on skype, to talk about the Neutral States, and some questionable posts. yet you decide to throw some gasoline on this fire. I only ask you.. WHY? why do you lack the decentcy to talk this out? second. I do not acknowlegde this post. the 7 days countdown shall wait till we talk this out, I suggest grtz Dave At this point, I will have to scrap the whole thing. I don't see any other solution to this.
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Post by John Miller on Sept 7, 2015 11:40:51 GMT
Reverting back time? To what extent Sam?
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Post by The Warzone on Sept 7, 2015 13:29:27 GMT
Reverting back time? To what extent Sam? If both the factions wouldn't compromise, then the whole neutral state thing will have to be scrapped. Otherwise this will spiral out of control.
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Post by David Van Rotterdam on Sept 7, 2015 14:35:34 GMT
Agreed. I hope we can settle an arrangement/meeting on skype tomorrow evening. I could be there at arround 7 o'clock. (19.00) Amsterdam time.
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Post by Andrey Voronov on Sept 7, 2015 17:01:29 GMT
All of the Russian faction can compromise.. Dave just won't. And it feels like I've known him for years since this RP started, and the most likely thing he'll do? Start this neutral state stuff up again. If it goes bad, he'll just request rolling it back again.. and again... and again.
Why should we delete all of our hard work just because one person doesn't want to compromise? I do not agree to this AT ALL. The problem can be seen before all your eyes: Dave. As I recall, Dave: 1) posted spontaneous protests with no preparation, 2) never contacted the Russian faction and still doesn't, he just doesn't care, he's negligent, and 3) is there a time he hasn't complained to everyone? Heck, even Sergei got messages from Dave.. In the time he can use to solve and reason, he uses it to start arguments and waste time.
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Post by Xingmin Wu on Sept 7, 2015 21:17:47 GMT
I'm getting real tired of both of your bullshits. Here, I'll just solve the problem right now. I have no vested interest in this ongoing conflict, so nothing I say here actually benefits me.
- Slovakia and Slovenia become alligned with the ECA - Hungary joins the CSTO - Croatia becomes alligned with the NAU, though unrest is high - A civil war starts in Ukraine between pro-european and pro-russian forces. You can fight over it in the battles section.
Sound good?
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Post by Omar Al-Ghazi on Sept 8, 2015 0:37:56 GMT
This sounds like a decent agreement to me.
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Post by Andrey Voronov on Sept 8, 2015 2:18:22 GMT
I'm getting real tired of both of your bullshits. Here, I'll just solve the problem right now. I have no vested interest in this ongoing conflict, so nothing I say here actually benefits me. - Slovakia and Slovenia become alligned with the ECA - Hungary joins the CSTO - Croatia becomes alligned with the NAU, though unrest is high - A civil war starts in Ukraine between pro-european and pro-russian forces. You can fight over it in the battles section. Sound good? First off, your first point is nonsensical. Slovakia is highly pro-CSTO.. It is highly improbable they will ever join the ECA, this is compounded by lore and IC reasons. This is rewarding the factions that did the least and punishing those who did the most, for Russia prepared EVERYTHING and I do mean that. Then you have ECA and USA who create their own spontaneous demonstrations, just out of thin air. And then there's Dave that wants to delete all effort of every side, our effort put into this matter compared to theirs is vastly higher. The time wasted is unacceptable arguing over and over with someone who desperately is trying to halt our progress through consistent abuse of this RP, the moderation, and just overall, complaining nonstop. I will not agree to this, or anything else that has been posted here. Plus, do you even have business in Europe, or this argument at all? It's stuff like this that makes me mad, when people interfere in business that isn't theirs.
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Post by David Van Rotterdam on Sept 8, 2015 5:35:20 GMT
speaking for myself, this is a better solution than that mess we are dealing at this point. Perhaps Sergei and/or Karp have some time to talk about this this evening.
about deleting things and go back in time, was not my idea at the first place, but I admit, I guess that would be the best. as for the idea of Cell, to split up the countries. well, it's better then the mess we are dealing with at this point. and Karp. I would like to see all those countries at the ECA, like you do for the CSTO/RF side. but continueing this madness will rip the roleplay apart. and I cannot believe you want this, neither do I.
I hope you or Sergei can make it this evening to join on skype, talking about this.
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Post by Nikola Pasic on Sept 8, 2015 8:32:34 GMT
It's easy splitting you'r opponent's cake, but it's not easy or fair to your opponent. A modified version of this can be applied here. The CSTO has prepared this, unlike everyone else. We prepared it since the start of the roleplay, but we were waiting for the right time to use it. Others didn't even do that. Karp, honestly i agree with pretty much everything you posted. Cell, i realize you want to help, but what you're suggesting is neither fair nor that possible. The neutrals were closer to ECA than CSTO in the lore, but actions of ECA in the roleplay would completely negate that. I mean, would you ally yourself with someone who JUST abandoned their allies in Africa, and even worse, gave them to GLA? I'd say ECA has a bigger shot with them than GLA, but that's it. Similar with NAU and Croatia. Right now China would have a bigger shot in Europe than both ECA and NAU(because they saved them from GLA, while ECA and NAU were powerless or didn't want to help). Anyway, Slovakia is the closest ton CSTO from all countries esxcluding Ukraine(based on real life, and even more since Czech Republic is in ECA), and regarding Ukraine, you people are watching too much Fox. Ukraine shares the vast majority of it's history with Russia(and if this is 2045. Ukraine is independent for about half of a century). You can't just delete all of that. But a brief civil war in Ukraine is possible, yet the anti-CSTO side would be weakened because of the poor state in which Ukraine is. I'm unsure about Hungary, but i think their pro and anti CSTO ratio could be around 51-49, maybe a little more for CSTO because of the current events. Croatia is a special case(complete divided wreck), and i don't see any other choice for them than to join CSTO, or start another civil war. Joining NAU would be insane(which sane person wants to lead/be in a country between two major blocks and be on BOTH of their to-nuke list?) I'd guess that Slovenia is kinda like Hungary, but about 50-50 pro and anti CSTO. All this is based on real life, because so far i didn't see the lore going into any details. So i'm taking everything else from real life history, while adding the few sentences there are about it in the lore. Dave, you're impossible to talk to. Honestly i gave up on that, at least when it comes to roleplaying in ROTR. Now, on one side we have CSTO which pretty much has a plan and knows what it's doing, and on the other side we have a completely unprepared and chaotic ECA/NAU. Deleting everything(including the talks) would punish CSTO and even ECA to an extent. Deleting everything but the talks would damage CSTO, leaving everything how it is would lead to a mess. Anyway, if i was on Karp's place i'd do the same. It's much more effective to show what happens when you open the Pandora's box than argue about it like we did before. Besides, if battles are the only thing that matter we might as well decide who wins in multiplayer.
NOTE(just in case): I am not posting suggestions, i'm just analyzing what others suggested. I loged in just to post this.
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Post by David Van Rotterdam on Sept 8, 2015 11:35:22 GMT
Sergei, Nikola
I did check out some of the older chats in skype with you. I did that yesterday evening and this morning (at work; toiletbusiness)
I have to say this: I am thinking about that you falled victim to my despression spike. I have witnessed a certain tone in my chat, what not suites you right. If I harm/hurt you or did something else bad within that, then I am honestly sorry about it. therefore I am offering my apologies. For as my depression. I am heading after this post to the hospital (again) to take care of this. for as I am suffering from this depression, I realised I may effect some people with it. therefore, again. I am sorry.
I hope trully you are availeble this evening. I want to talk this out with you. And I hope we can arrange an agreement on certain things. as for ingame: CSTO may prepared for certain things, so did the ECA eventually. I made perhaps certain mistakes. for that sorry. Sam has dealt with that, as we all known. he also recommend certain things about the preparations. as for that, I asked back then, at others about certain posts. they didn't know certain details either. Perhaps we can agree on that, and move on. for as I am willing to talk to you. with respect, and sense/reasonable behaviour. you got my word for that.
I ain't playing my cards in this post about certain details/posts/ideas/preparations. but you may inform me after all.
Raptor, Adler, asked me last week to step down a few days to cool down, about my depression. I did. I am in a better mood now.
Hoop to see you later... Dave
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Post by The Warzone on Sept 8, 2015 16:46:36 GMT
Just so people know by scrapping this whole RP plot, I do not mean all Posts and Threads related to it will be deleted. They will be moved to the Archive Section : rotrwarzone.boards.net/board/53/archive from where you can recycle the information and once again start the whole RP Plot afresh. This way, all the confusion and mess will be cleared out.
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