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Post by Abdul-Al Rashid on Dec 21, 2016 7:02:15 GMT
So, I propose a new GLA, so here's how it's going to happen: After some events by me and Omar, the people of the Zone go into a revolutionary state, wanting change. If someone can offer to help with that change, they will follow him. Ashraf, being "helped" by Omar, by Al-Asad (who would be manipulated by Omar, and soon a general of this new nation), or by the AEDP would get into office and set up Terra Nullius as the Grand Liberal Africa (GLA). The old GLA would be reformed into a legitimate military force, rather than bands of rebels. Essentially, Omar's manipulating events behind the scenes either way to remain a legitimate power player. Omar's setting up Abdul to be arrested and turned in by my diplomat, along with any warlords, so that he can gain political and military power within a new GLA. Socio-Economics of this new nation: Extreme-socialism Government System: Democratic Essentially, what I am proposing is a revolution in the Zone that causes the GLA as we know it to be reformed into an actual nation, with President Ashraf leading it. This happens as a result of Omar manipulating someone in the Zone (Ashraf or Al-Asad) to turn the people of the Zone against the GLA. After its leaders are arrested and tried for their crimes, the GLA becomes renamed to the Great Liberal Africa (GLA), with the old Global Liberation Army being renamed to the Grand Liberation Army. As a result of this change, the GLA can technically engage in diplomacy if the UN recognizes Central Africa as a sovereign entity. Concerning the state that the GLA is currently into (War with AEDP and China), I need more help in discussing this. Also, I just copied and pasted most of the stuff so I'm sorry if I let some stuff leak through. Also a side note for the AEDP: Edit 1: A few changes have been made, Ashraf will support the AEDP, to ensure that this transition will occur... However if anyone objects feel free to reply. Edit 2: So I have contacted the necessary leaders to complete a scenario that I made. In this scenario, during the revolution, there will be three (or four) parties. The first one will be the AEDP Backed Revolutionary Forces, the second one will be the GLA Loyalists, the third one will be the Russian Backed Revolutionary Forces, the possible fourth one will be the GLA Ultra-nationalists. Since Ashraf has gone to the AEDP side, and Al-Asad will possibly join the ultra-nationalists, The two main paragraphs above will be slightly meaningless. So I request Dmitry Molchanov to please make a character, and send it to me OOCly, if in case your forces win in the throne to the GLA. If anyone has objections or suggestions, feel free to reply after my update post. P.S. Mendoza Chávez De La Hoya Card, maybe you can also make your own party yourself or contact Dmitry on sharing... :potato |
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 21, 2016 7:05:27 GMT
Just a side note to Omar's manipulations, he will not, and CANNOT become a GLA member under any circumstances. This is because we don't want to end up with a situation like last time. The only thing that's happening is that Omar will have some IC political and/or military sway within the new GLA.
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Dec 21, 2016 7:18:41 GMT
Just to point out, every intent for Operation Aries was to be the first stepping stone to pacifying and then installing a legitimate democratic government in the nations that had become "The Zone", so I'm inclined to say that the pair of you are too slow. As for supporting this, The Zodiac Stratagem had every intent of installing a leader that The UN accepts is one that will ensure it doesn't relapse into terror and destruction.
So, I will resist this with all my strength, since Ashraf is not only a member of The GLA, but also a person we know nothing about.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 21, 2016 7:23:03 GMT
Just because your intentions don't meet Abdul's doesn't mean you have the right to veto him. It's clear he wants to participate diplomatically with HIS character. Technically, I'm just a pawn he's putting into place for that to happen. If the UN doesn't accept Ashraf, then there will still be war between the AEDP-backing countries and Central Africa. But, you do make a point on no one knowing what Ashraf is about. This would be an opportune time to tell us what Ashraf's motivations are, and what his goals are. Personally, I'm all for the GLA going into a full nation-creation mode, rather than "boogedy, boogedy, I'm a terrorist."
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Dec 21, 2016 7:28:30 GMT
And what's stopping Ashraf from being both? He could provide The GLA with a legitimate face to provide deniability to any activities they may still instigate.
"What's that? GLA fighters blew up another shopping centre? The rebuilt Twin Towers had some more planes flown into them? Oh, that's the OLD GLA, they're holdouts of a bygone age. We're The NEW GLA, we're nice... Honest! What do you mean the planes had 'Endorsed by Ashraf. Death To America!' written on them?"
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 21, 2016 7:36:34 GMT
Well, considering that Ashraf is turning in known Warlords of the GLA into the authorities, as well as setting up a legitimate governemnt for the people that live in the Zone, it would be safe to assume that Ashraf's intentions are good and that the UN could see him as a legitimate political figurehead for the people of the Zone, therefore recognizing the Zone as a sovereign entity. He may be manipulated by Omar to get there, but be honest. Don't all politicians already have shit to hide? Even goody-two-shoes Dmitry had to get his hands dirty in the Federation to get where he is now. We'll just have to see how many of the leaders actually agree to this outcome for the GLA.
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Dec 21, 2016 7:39:19 GMT
Most politicians don't get involved with terrorist organisations that wish to cause the downfall of civilised governments.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 21, 2016 7:41:09 GMT
Right, right. Oh, what's that? Do you hear that? Oh, I think that's ISIS and the US calling. XD
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Dec 21, 2016 7:47:21 GMT
Well, obviously America is the exception... You know... Because selling weapons to Al Qaeda, the Contras and The Mujahideen is sound political practice.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 21, 2016 7:51:50 GMT
Right, and Russia isn't excepted out of it either. Syria, for example. Nonetheless, that still doesn't mean that your veto will matter if the majority of people agree to the GLA becoming this. And remember, your backers may be wealthy, but as soon as they're sanctioned for disagreeing with the UN, can they survive?
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Dec 21, 2016 7:53:26 GMT
I have two members, The UK and France, who have permanent veto votes on the UN security council. You guys can't do anything to me.
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 21, 2016 8:02:00 GMT
Right. And remember that these two nations aren't under your DIRECT CONTROL. I mean, seriously, wouldn't it be seen as an act of goodwill to rebel against the GLA, throw away their leaders to the UN and the international courts, and set up a legitimate government in the region? You make it sound as though people trying to rebel against tyrants is a crime.
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Post by Archibald Stanford on Dec 21, 2016 8:28:35 GMT
Mao rebelled against Chiang Kai Shek, yet Mao is a tyrant.
Stalin rebelled against Tsar Nicholas II, yet Stalin is a tyrant.
Nguyễn Văn Thiệu rebelled against Ngo Dinh Diem, yet Thiệu is a tyrant.
Oliver Cromwell rebelled against King Charles I, yet Cromwell is a tyrant.
When tyrants are usually replaced by other tyrants, there's little point in letting such an action occur without controlling the outcome.
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Post by Abdul-Al Rashid on Dec 21, 2016 8:36:45 GMT
After many times of consideration, I have decided that Ashraf will be supporting the AEDP, a bit of a plot-twist actually. Retro has successfully changed my mind, So I'll add it to the original post... Also to speak realistically, Ashraf who is willing to rat out the old Warlords would also rat out an old member right?
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Post by Dmitry Molchanov on Dec 21, 2016 8:54:20 GMT
If you're talking about ratting out Omar and his link to the revolution, then it's likely that Ashraf will die or get severely injured. Are you alright with either?
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